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Offline EMT-B39

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Hello from Suttons Bay
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:18:20 PM »
Hello. My name is Bryan. I'm an EMT-B from the Leelanau county area. I've always been a fan of firearms and fully support open carry. I just recently purchased my first handgun. I've wanted one for years but due to real life I have just now been in a position to buy one. So when I found a good deal I jumped on it.

So now while I wait for the next CPL class in my area I've decided to look into OC'ing. I've been lurking and trolling this site for about 2 weeks reading posts and trying to understand all these laws. I've got a decent grasp on the OC laws.

I look forward to learning more and sharing my experiences with you all!
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Offline gryphon

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 07:19:58 PM »
Welcome from Okemos! :)

Yes, read the laws and stickies here very closely, particularly as you will be OCing without a CPL for a little while. 
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Offline EMT-B39

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 09:11:01 PM »
Thanks for the welcome. Although I'm reading the laws very thoroughly I'm kinda in a weird situation where I live. Up here in Leelanau county we have alot of tribal land. I spoke with tribal police and I'm well aware of the fact that speaking with Leo's about OC laws is frivolous at best I figured much short of being a white guy talking to a biased tribal government attorney about this this fact that tribal LEO would be my best bet. So I simply asked and I quote "Hey what is the laws on OC'ing around here?" He looked at me kinda dumbfounded and I reiterated "you know OC'ing in public like at the beaches or around the reservation?" At this point he simply shook his head and said federal law prohibit the carrying of any firearm not being used for hunting. I'm paraphrasing this of course. But that was basically my understanding. So I then asked "I'm fully aware of the PFZ pertaining to tribal school church and casino. But I was asking about public places in general?" To he said guns aren't even allowed to be possessed in tribe funded housing and you're not supposed to OC on federal property anyway. So at this point I saw no way that I would come out ahead in that conversation. However nothing I've read thus far has said anything about tribal land so maybe if anybody here can clear this up for me I'd greatly appreciate it.

And until the CPL class comes around I'll just steer clear of PFZ's until then.
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Offline gryphon

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 10:07:44 PM »
You can OC on much, but not all, federal property.  However, tribal land is a totally different animal I suspect. Do you have occasion to be on tribal land a lot?
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Offline EMT-B39

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 10:59:22 PM »
Yes I do. My ex wife is native american and lives on the reservation and she has custody of my 2 children. I also work at the casino on the reservation. I spend 6 of the seven days a week on tribal land. Not to mention... The reservation lies within my response area so even though I can't and won't OC in the ambulance if there is an emergency on tribal land then chances are I'll be responding.
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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2012, 11:11:53 PM »
I'd recommend you avoid carrying on Tribal land until talking to a Tribal lawyer.

BTW, Welcome!
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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 12:48:48 AM »
Since tribal land is part of a separate, recognized nation within a nation, you need to find out what their laws are, and they could vary from tribe/nation to tribe/nation.  I agree with Q, speak with a tribal lawyer or at least an attorney in your area who is familiar with the tribal laws.  You are in a unique situation.
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Offline mrbeachtc

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 07:53:30 PM »
Welcome! You are very close to me in Traverse City.
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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 08:13:08 PM »
Welcome from eastpointe
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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2013, 08:48:04 PM »
Welcome from Webberville
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Offline rampage537

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 09:08:19 PM »
Welcome from Hazel Park.

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Re: Hello from Suttons Bay
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 10:06:38 AM »
Hello from Harrison.
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