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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2014, 08:35:04 PM »
They are also OE  (opinions enforcement), not just LE.  Had police actually observed a violation of the law ....they might have a case. Since they didn't they just wasted more tax dollars. Being that the man involved is of meager means, they BPD, will probably get away with this BS this time.
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »
I'd like to know what false charge the cops arrested him on. Why don't reporters ask pertinent questions?

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2014, 08:49:09 PM »
LGOC ?

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2014, 10:49:36 PM »

LGOC ?

I'll let it slide for now. BTW, you can always use the report button...
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2014, 09:06:03 AM »
Can anyone confirm that there are "No Gun" signs posted at the bus station?

I'm thinking a call or email is in order today.

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2014, 01:31:54 PM »
I'll let it slide for now. BTW, you can always use the report button...
Thanks, I saw this as a firearm transport news story more than anything oc.
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2014, 06:12:08 PM »
If it was in a bag how can he be possibly cited for ccw?

It would be a simple improper transport of a firearm at worst...
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2014, 09:13:58 PM »
Seeing as how he was in Battle Creek, maybe they thought he was a cereal killer.

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 09:39:13 AM »
From the creators of Breaking Bad comes...

Battle Creek (2014– )
TV Series  -  Crime | Drama

Two detectives with different views on the world team up and using cynicism, guile and deception, they clean up the streets of Battle Creek.

Creators: Vince Gilligan, David Shore
Stars: Aydin Amoli, Steve Troublesome Castillo, Aubrey Dollar

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3215364/

Battle Creek is a Michigan-set detective drama ordered by CBS for a series production for the 2014-15 season.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/vince-gilligan-breaking-bads-searchers-639466

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 12:32:20 PM »
UPDATE

A Battle Creek man, who was taken into custody for trying to take a semi-automatic rifle onto a commercial passenger bus has entered a guilty plea to a misdemeanor.

They haven’t been able to find a gun charge he violated.

He has been given 4 days in jail and a $260 fine for resisting an officer.

Meanwhile Battle Creek police may ask federal investigators to review their case to determine if any federal gun laws were violated.

The officers who confronted Jason Smith at the Battle Creek bus station this week didn't know whether it was an assault rifle or not at the time. They just wanted to get home alive that night.

http://wkzo.com/news/articles/2014/apr/05/battle-creek-police-charge-man-with-a-rifle-with-a-misdemeanor/

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 01:38:33 PM »
I've been trying to reach the BCT administrative office all yesterday and this morning. I finally was able to transfer myself to someone. I asked if they knew whether or not the BCT station(s) have any no-gun signs. Unfortunately, the person I spoke to did not know the answer. They took my information and hopefully will get back to me.

She did however, tell me that they allow firearms on buses. She also mentioned that it was a Greyhound bus the man was trying to board.

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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 01:47:58 PM »
I've been trying to reach the BCT administrative office all yesterday and this morning. I finally was able to transfer myself to someone. I asked if they knew whether or not the BCT station(s) have any no-gun signs. Unfortunately, the person I spoke to did not know the answer. They took my information and hopefully will get back to me.

She did however, tell me that they allow firearms on buses. She also mentioned that it was a Greyhound bus the man was trying to board.

Federal Common Carrier law may come into play here.
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2014, 01:50:45 PM »
UPDATE

A Battle Creek man, who was taken into custody for trying to take a semi-automatic rifle onto a commercial passenger bus has entered a guilty plea to a misdemeanor.

They haven’t been able to find a gun charge he violated.

He has been given 4 days in jail and a $260 fine for resisting an officer.

Meanwhile Battle Creek police may ask federal investigators to review their case to determine if any federal gun laws were violated.

The officers who confronted Jason Smith at the Battle Creek bus station this week didn't know whether it was an assault rifle or not at the time. They just wanted to get home alive that night.

http://wkzo.com/news/articles/2014/apr/05/battle-creek-police-charge-man-with-a-rifle-with-a-misdemeanor/
I want to get home alive at night after work also. I work in a far more dangerous environment than any LEO. Just last week a crane fell killing the operator, at Great Lakes Steel. The second in less than a year. Last fall a press slide moved with two workers inside of it at Ford Dearborn Stamping.
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Re: Arrested without braking any law
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2014, 03:35:51 PM »
Federal Common Carrier law may come into play here.

I'm not familiar with this. Please explain.

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2014, 03:46:45 PM »
http://professionaloutdoormedia.org/node/5725

This video also references these laws:


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Re: Arrested without breaking any law
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2014, 03:51:50 PM »
But common carriers aren't required by law to allow firearms, right?  Greyhound can probably refuse to have firearms on their buses, even in the luggage area.

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Re: Arrested without breaking any law
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 09:01:02 AM »
I just received a call back from Battle Creek Transit.

BCT allows firearms and has no signs. Their station is across the street from the Greyhound station which also houses Amtrack, Indian Trails and something else. That station is a public building leased by Greyhound and the others.

There might be something to pursue here.

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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 09:50:41 AM »

I just received a call back from Battle Creek Transit.

BCT allows firearms and has no signs. Their station is across the street from the Greyhound station which also houses Amtrack, Indian Trails and something else. That station is a public building leased by Greyhound and the others.

There might be something to pursue here.

But wasn't he *ON* the bus at that time?
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Re: Arrested without breaking any law
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2014, 09:53:00 AM »
No. He was arrested prior to boarding a bus.