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Offline Bronson

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2010, 02:50:19 PM »
I don't draw any differently from a Serpa than I do from any other holster.  In ANY holster my trigger finger lays along side the side and on the Serpa this normal action releases the lock.  I don't see how the Serpa causes the problem if the holster is designed to release when you lay your finger where it's supposed to go in the first place.

I think the problem arises from people thinking they have to "press the button" when they don't.  Simply lay your finger along the button, where it is supposed to be anyway, and the lock releases.

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2010, 04:47:52 PM »
It comes down to the fact that some people just do not practice enough.

I feel that before I will carry in a specific holster I must do 100+ draws.

I also will not carry in a holster that I have not rune at the range from several positions.

That said I have well over 1000 draws from my BH Serpa and have never even come close to an ND.

Being trained and proficient are two distinctly different things!
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2010, 05:49:26 PM »
Either way, I saved myself the trouble of finding out. Also I no longer have to worry about paddle snaps breaking or my weapon sticking. Saved myself the trouble. People are always going to be stuck in their ways and when you say something about a certain brand of gear that someone else owns, they are going to defend it until the end anyways. I know, I did it until today. I feel more comfortable with my new De Santis. I defended my SERPA to my CPL instructor the whole day and I caught crap for it the whole day too. I didn't care. I defended my SERPA. Then I saw the stuff happen on video after the class. He brought in his laptop with the vids on it and showed a few of us who had SERPA's there. I feel I am more comfortable with my De Santis Mini Slide.

PS if you notice I recommended the SERPA at the beginning of this post  :o :o :o
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Offline Tango125INF11b

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2010, 05:50:40 PM »
Quote from: Tango125INF11b on July 29, 2010, 05:49:26 PM
PS if you notice I recommended the SERPA at the beginning of this post  :o :o :o
Correction, it was his other post on what to buy.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2010, 10:01:26 PM »
      I have had my BH more than 6mos. Had no problems. Smooth and fast on the draw.  I love to carry it when i open carry. I use the paddle more than the belt. Carry On.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2010, 03:30:49 AM »
Quote from: Tango125INF11b on July 29, 2010, 05:49:26 PM
Either way, I saved myself the trouble of finding out. Also I no longer have to worry about paddle snaps breaking or my weapon sticking. Saved myself the trouble. People are always going to be stuck in their ways and when you say something about a certain brand of gear that someone else owns, they are going to defend it until the end anyways. I know, I did it until today. I feel more comfortable with my new De Santis. I defended my SERPA to my CPL instructor the whole day and I caught crap for it the whole day too. I didn't care. I defended my SERPA. Then I saw the stuff happen on video after the class. He brought in his laptop with the vids on it and showed a few of us who had SERPA's there. I feel I am more comfortable with my De Santis Mini Slide.

PS if you notice I recommended the SERPA at the beginning of this post  :o :o :o

I don't disagree with the things you've said about the Serpa holster.  It most certainly will lock up if you pull the gun up before releasing it...that is a training issue.  If someone actively hooks their finger because they think they have to push the button to release the lock they are setting themselves up to slide their finger into the guard during the draw...again, a training issue.  I have a couple of Serpas and they were my second choice because I couldn't effectively use the Safariland SLS holsters.  I've since been introduced to the Safariland ALS holsters and am currently carrying in one.  But it too will lock up if you pull up on the gun before releasing the lock but that is not a fault of the holster, it is working as designed.  I actually prefer leather holsters (I make my own) but I carry a 1911 and a leather holster with a retention strap that won't interfere with the cocked and locked saftey on the a 1911 is a pain in the butt to make so I go with commercially produced retention holsters.

Bronson
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2010, 04:57:37 PM »
You know, I was always a kydex guy. I loved the durability. I never thought I would see myself in leather. But I do have to say, leather is nice.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2010, 01:12:48 PM »
Quote from: Tango125INF11b on July 29, 2010, 02:38:49 PM
One of the MagPul guys, who is very trained, and has good enough discipline IMO, had an ND while trying to draw in a defensive pistol demonstration. This guy has had more training than me on the SERPA, and is specifically trained on the SERPA. If it can happen to him, it can happen to anybody. Like I said, I had a SERPA until today when I took it back. I don't feel like being "that guy" on the range, lol.

Which Magpul guy and when?
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2010, 02:09:11 PM »
I don't remember who it was, my defensive handgun trainer was telling me about it.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2010, 08:20:44 AM »
Ok i have to really reply to this.

 lining your holster to keep your gun from getting marred.....to each is own

as for Serpa issues I have seen 3 ND's in person its easy to say it that you haven't etc.... have you really pushed it and yourself under stress? I have seen it, it happens good shooters and gunhandlers

I have seenthe reports it with elite MIL/LEO units too


I have seen no less than 4 failed Serpas failing to release guns

Tango if you don't mind me asking who is your trainer? Since I Know the Magpul guys very well, and to my knowledge not a one of them has of current run the Serpa holsters


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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2010, 10:21:28 AM »
RSF, You sound experienced in the ways of the leather. What do you strap-on in the morning? What are your recommendations?

FYI, I have never owned a Serpa.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2010, 01:11:31 PM »
Quote from: RSF on August 12, 2010, 08:20:44 AM
as for Serpa issues I have seen 3 ND's in person its easy to say it that you haven't etc....

Yup, and cops shoot themselves in the leg with Glocks so it must be the guns fault.

Bronson
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2010, 11:18:05 PM »
Quote from: Bronson on August 12, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: RSF on August 12, 2010, 08:20:44 AM
as for Serpa issues I have seen 3 ND's in person its easy to say it that you haven't etc....

Yup, and cops shoot themselves in the leg with Glocks so it must be the guns fault.

Bronson



no but when running guns at lifesaving speed as you should things happen  yes there is a lot of personal responsibilities to it as well but the design is a failure in many ways

I run several from Raven.safariland and others  yeap and do others ....

I see over 500 students a year in classes i teach and more in classes i take

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2010, 12:06:50 AM »
 a guy from "the training team cpl" said it at one of the classes.
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2010, 03:10:25 AM »
Quote from: RSF on August 12, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
no but when running guns at lifesaving speed as you should things happen  yes there is a lot of personal responsibilities to it as well but the design is a failure in many ways

Would you say the same thing about Glocks?  That the design is a failure or that the shooter screwed up and put a bullet in his leg?

Bronson
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2010, 07:24:31 AM »
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no but when running guns at lifesaving speed as you should things happen  yes there is a lot of personal responsibilities to it as well but the design is a failure in many ways

I run several from Raven.safariland and others  yeap and do others ....

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2010, 07:43:22 AM »
Quote from: Bronson on August 13, 2010, 03:10:25 AM
Quote from: RSF on August 12, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
no but when running guns at lifesaving speed as you should things happen  yes there is a lot of personal responsibilities to it as well but the design is a failure in many ways

Would you say the same thing about Glocks?  That the design is a failure or that the shooter screwed up and put a bullet in his leg?

Bronson


I say it about glocks mps xds and 1911s that I have seen idiots nd with issue is most never train to the speeds of which they need too or practice with the serpa

for the record I taught keith at the TT
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2010, 11:58:49 AM »
Quote from: RSF on August 13, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
I say it about glocks mps xds and 1911s that I have seen idiots nd with issue is most never train to the speeds of which they need too or practice with the serpa

So you agree with me that it's a training issue and not an equipment issue.

Thanks,

Bronson
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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2010, 01:34:48 PM »
Quote from: Bronson on August 13, 2010, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: RSF on August 13, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
I say it about glocks mps xds and 1911s that I have seen idiots nd with issue is most never train to the speeds of which they need too or practice with the serpa

So you agree with me that it's a training issue and not an equipment issue.

Thanks,

Bronson

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Re: Review on Holster - Blackhawk Serpa Level 2 Sportster
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2010, 04:17:24 PM »
He's the one that works for MDOC right? Hes the one that said that about the MagPul guy. Unless he got his story mixed up, or maybe I possibly did? But I am pretty sure I heard him correctly, because he was heckling me about my SERPA. Hes the one who talked me into returning it.
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