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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: gryphon on June 24, 2013, 03:33:09 PM
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Besides me?
Live feeds here:
http://www.wptv.com/generic/news/national/George-Zimmerman-trial-complete-coverage (http://www.wptv.com/generic/news/national/George-Zimmerman-trial-complete-coverage)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-live-video-chat-20130612,0,7210676.htmlpage (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-live-video-chat-20130612,0,7210676.htmlpage)
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Dan,
Glad to know I'm not the only sick bastard watching/listening at work.
I'm watching the raw feed from here: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-liveday-1-live-opening-statements-theories-of-the-case/ (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-liveday-1-live-opening-statements-theories-of-the-case/)
Andrew Branca's analysis is great.
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I got about 98% of everything on the fox feed.
I think there is a lot more coming out in support of him.
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Today was a pretty good day. Defense went toward evidence contamination a little bit (SPD fubared the body), and the defense showed forensic photos taken at the police station showing marks, abrasions, lacerations, and multiple lumps already forming on Zimmerman's head shortly after being attacked.
The prosecution's first eye witness of the trial, Bahadoor, didn't remember very many details about her meetings with investigators or the prosecutor's office, but her testimony and details of that night become clearer after those meetings. Believable? It also sounds like Bahadoor's sister gave the exact same deposition testimony as she did, but the sister was never downstairs according to her and didn't have the same view. Also, Bahadoor changed her story about the figures fighting. First they were erect, then she couldn't say whether they might have been down, one on top of another?
Bahadoor was also pro-"Justice For Trayvon" on facebook and signed the "Prosecute Zimmerman, The Killer of Trayvon Martin" petition on Change.org. She didn't like that pointed out to her and prosecutor de la Rionda got pissed! LOL.
Today took too long. Prosecutors were supposed to call Rachel "Dee Dee" Jeantel today. I want to see the defense cross on her! This is her deposition/interview with the prosecution.
Wow.
Discovery: DeeDee's Statement to the State Attorney (FULL) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVTM8sqz4k#ws)
As stated on The Conservative Treehouse...
You’ll never get the 22 minutes back again, but you’ve come this far….
It’s amazing really to pause and reflect upon the fact THIS, this conversation, this interview, is the ONLY evidence that created the probable cause affidavit and led to the arrest of George Zimmerman. The entire case is established around this. And yet, she’ll never reach the Witness Stand….
She lied under oath here, more than once. If the prosecution doesn't call her, I bet West/O'Mara will and point out that she was supposed to be the prosecution's star witness.
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The State's witnesses, for the most part, appear to have been anything but useful for the State, especially on cross.
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The State's witnesses, for the most part, appear to have been anything but useful for the State, especially on cross.
So far they seem to be helping the defense more than the prosecution.
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So far they seem to be helping the defense more than the prosecution.
Popcorn worthy events, indeed!
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Oh man, Jane Surdyka is quite the drama queen on the call.
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She's a freakin' basket case. How long did she keep the 911 dispatcher on for, like twenty or thirty minutes? He's not your best friend.
Surdyka is making the same mistake Dee Dee made, assuming the higher-pitched voice is a kid. Zimmerman's normal voice is high, and under stress any man can sound like a girl screaming. Listen to the many police dash cam videos of policemen screaming. She also heard three gunshots. Nice.
Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense
Rumored: US dropped from 1980 Olympics because nobody was willing to travel/room with Surdyka.
;D
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Surdyka said the first voice was loud and aggressive. Trayvon's girlfriend said Trayvon confronted the other man... Surdyka said person on top was wearing darker clothes. Trayvon was wearing a dark hoodie that night. Surdyka said she never saw pictures of Zimmerman's injuries on the news.
She states Zimmerman was on top and would have shot Trayvon in the back. She states she saw the entire thing, including the three gunshots. She saw no muzzle blast (flashes of light) despite it being totally dark out and the person on the bottom (Trayvon) never moved after being shot face-down.
She insists she heard three shots and watched it happen while on the phone.
She bases her assumptions about who was the aggressor on the higher-pitched voice being the victim. We all know Zimmerman has a high pitched voice anyway. West was leading into that in cross.
Great witness for the prosecution. LOL.
On re-direct prosecutor de la Rionda is discrediting his own witness. She said it was pouring down rain. He disagrees.
What a mess.
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She's a freakin' basket case. How long did she keep the 911 dispatcher on for, like twenty or thirty minutes? He's not your best friend.
Surdyka is making the same mistake Dee Dee made, assuming the higher-pitched voice is a kid. Zimmerman's normal voice is high, and under stress any man can sound like a girl screaming. Listen to the many police dash cam videos of policemen screaming. She also heard three gunshots. Nice.
Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense
;D
Dan,
Some of Andrew's tweets are friggin comedy gold!
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Didn't she also say the man with the darker or blackish clothes was on top?
+1 for basket case
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Didn't she also say the man with the darker or blackish clothes was on top?
+1 for basket case
And she thought that Zimmerman was wearing dark clothing.
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Jeannee Manalo is going to get ripped up on cross after her comment about saying Zimmerman was on top after watching the news.
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Manalo: Person on top "just hitting down" on other person.
Prosecution in panic.
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This looks like the who works in IT thread. :)
A job in front of a computer can have it's benefits.
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Some of Andrew's tweets are friggin comedy gold!
Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense
Update: Rumored: Alternate juror asked for day off to avoid having to listen to Sudyka testimony
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This looks like the who works in IT thread. :)
A job in front of a computer can have it's benefits.
I'm in a conference call with Detroit and Kansas City right now. Sucks trying to pay attention to both and respond to questions on the phone! Hahaha....
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I'm in a conference call with Detroit and Kansas City right now. Sucks trying to pay attention to both and respond to questions on the phone! Hahaha....
"Hey, uhh, Dan? Why are you laughing your ass off over there?"
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This looks like the who works in IT thread. :)
A job in front of a computer can have it's benefits.
And in my case, I also have a fat pipe to the interwebz, too (multiple 10Gig lines down to 350 Cermak)!
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Sadly, in our system juries believe that if a man is charged with the crime he must be guilty of something. Therefore the defense is fighting an uphill battle despite the standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt".
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Sadly, in our system juries believe that if a man is charged with the crime he must be guilty of something. Therefore the defense is fighting an uphill battle despite the standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt".
However, the State's witnesses seem to be doing a damn good job of flattening that hill.
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I just hope the women in the jury aren't as stupid as the women eye-witnesses for the prosecution. :o
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Prosecution is still going for Zimmerman being on top, and stating that Zimmerman was beating Trayvon.
Makes no sense!
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Prosecution is still going for Zimmerman being on top, and stating that Zimmerman was beating Trayvon.
Makes no sense!
It's pretty evident at this point that the judge is batting for the prosecution. Over ruling objections by the defense about the state bringing up new stuff that wasn't covered in the recross
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Am rolling on the floor laughing over Rachel "Dee Dee" Jeantel's testimony so far.
I'll be very surprised if the court reporter comes back after the break. (http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)
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Am rolling on the floor laughing over Rachel "Dee Dee" Jeantel's testimony so far.
Tom and I have been conversing about how she's such a quality young lady, and that she'll go far in life.
And by go far in life, I mean she'll probably still be in high school long enough to purchase the booze for the parties.
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Oh man, this is a $#|t show for the State's witnesses today.
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Anyone else see Rachel "Dee Dee" Jeantel on the witness stand today? I don't think I've laughed this hard for ten or twenty years.
For those that missed it, here she is on the witness stand today. About two hours worth. She begins at the one hour mark (1:00:00) in the first video.
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYVUt3_HOQ#ws)
and then continues here:
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qOjtrCxzM#ws)
and finishes here:
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlxU9qAxDQk#ws)
Seriously, you guys need to watch the prosecution's star witness. I had to bail with about 45-50 minutes left, so I am going to catch up tonight, but I understand she has to come back tomorrow. ;D
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Seriously, you guys need to watch the prosecution's star witness. I had to bail with about 45-50 minutes left, so I am going to catch up tonight, but I understand she has to come back tomorrow. ;D
She's not pleased with that fact either. If West plays his cards right, home girl will implode before our eyes.
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Rachel Jeantel Makes Trayvon Martin Look Like A Racist Young Black Thug. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqRN0WqQYmQ#)
"Even though he's dead in the ground, the type of people Trayvon Martin associated with tells me a lot about him."
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Rachel Jeantel Makes Trayvon Martin Look Like A Racist Young Black Thug. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqRN0WqQYmQ#)
"Even though he's dead in the ground, the type of people Trayvon Martin associated with tells me a lot about him."
And last week I hung out with stoners. Some of them smoked as I stood 10' away from them outside.
I've never smoked pot in my life.
I don't buy the "the type of ppl you hang with..."
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And last week I hung out with stoners. Some of them smoked as I stood 10' away from them outside.
I've never smoked pot in my life.
I don't buy the "the type of ppl you hang with..."
Were the good people nonetheless? Did you just happen to hang out with these people one time, or do you spend hours a day on the phone with them?
After watching this girl's testimony, I understand what this guy is saying.
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You hang out with people who smoke pot all the time, while they smoke pot, over their house while they smoke pot? That would be the equivalent.
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Prosecutor: "When did you ask Trayvon that question?"
Witness: "I axed him the night he died."
Defense: "She killed Trayvon!"
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The State finally brought forward a credible and intelligible witness today. Turns out she mostly supported Zimmerman's story.
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She's not pleased with that fact either. If West plays his cards right, home girl will implode before our eyes.
From the trial today, it sounds like the defense will be calling her themselves.
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There were two press conferences after the trial today, O'Mara and the Martin family. Here's a few notes I took.
O'Mara thinks that if anything outside the seven minutes of the event is allowed in, then everything should be allowed in, meaning if the prosecution wants to go after Zimmerman's history, the defense should go after Trayvon's history. O'Mara also said trial could go into a third week, although it's going faster than they all thought it would.
Here are the Trayvon Martin family press conference highlights (it's comedy gold). Family attorney Daryl Parks spoke.
Family/attorney remarks: Martin family very encouraged by the witnesses so far. They were very impressed with Rachel Jeantel. Martin family thinks that race is not a part of this process, and no one should inject race into it, despite the racial stuff that Trayvon said.
Reporter question: do you regret bringing Rachel Jeantel and her statements to you to the prosecution? Ans: No. The State of Florida can take care of themselves.
Reporter question: You say race is not an issue, but the Martin family appeared all over the country with race leaders. Ans: Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon.
Reporter question: Do you think Rachel's testimony hurt the state's case? Ans: No, she was amazing! This family's so proud of her. She blew Zimmerman's self-defense claims out of the water.
Reporter question about Rachel Jeantel being memorable or credible. Ans: I think she's credible.
Reporter question: When Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were down in Florida, why didn't you say this wasn't about race then? Why are you only saying it now? Ans: deflect.
Reporter question: Are you worried about Trayvon's fighting coming in to evidence? Ans: No, there's no evidence Trayvon did anything to George Zimmerman.
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Supporters of slain teen Trayvon Martin are vowing to carry out disturbing and deadly acts of violence if Zimmerman is not found guilty.
‘IF ZIMMERMAN GET OFF, IMA GO KILL A WHITE BOY’: TRAYVON MARTIN SUPPORTERS MAKE SHOCKING THREATS AHEAD OF VERDICT (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/)
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Supporters of slain teen Trayvon Martin are vowing to carry out disturbing and deadly acts of violence if Zimmerman is not found guilty.
‘IF ZIMMERMAN GET OFF, IMA GO KILL A WHITE BOY’: TRAYVON MARTIN SUPPORTERS MAKE SHOCKING THREATS AHEAD OF VERDICT (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/)
Guess we'll find out if the gov calls me up for riot duty.
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Some tweets:
Mike Rauseo
@Doobydoobydo
Breaking: MSNBC signs Jeantel to co-host with Sharpton. Move to boost MSNBC hosts' mean IQ by 10 points.
(http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Word to the Wise @itssteveyall
@Doobydoobydo I'd pay to see Rachael Jeantel and Rosie O'Donell fight over a cupcake. Lol. Bet that would get brutal.
https://twitter.com/Doobydoobydo/statuses/350293749752004609 (https://twitter.com/Doobydoobydo/statuses/350293749752004609)
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Some tweets:
Mike Rauseo
@Doobydoobydo
Breaking: MSNBC signs Jeantel to co-host with Sharpton. Move to boost MSNBC hosts' mean IQ by 10 points.
(http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Word to the Wise @itssteveyall
@Doobydoobydo I'd pay to see Rachael Jeantel and Rosie O'Donell fight over a cupcake. Lol. Bet that would get brutal.
https://twitter.com/Doobydoobydo/statuses/350293749752004609 (https://twitter.com/Doobydoobydo/statuses/350293749752004609)
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e6a48a5b8a195d1a12d07a4a07e6b7fa/tumblr_mp2bmk35Qm1qz8pmfo1_500.jpg)
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I will call it now. "Not Guilty" and then the riots will began.
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Do you suppose metro areas in Michigan will see riots?
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Do you suppose metro areas in Michigan will see riots?
Wouldn't surprise me.
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Ex Law Enforcement Officer: America Will See Its Worst Race Riot Yet This Summer
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/06/america-will-see-its-worst-race-riot.html (http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/06/america-will-see-its-worst-race-riot.html)
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Do you suppose metro areas in Michigan will see riots?
Clearly you have never been in the "thick" of Detroit. Most people there are there because they cannot escape. So if you live in a posh community like Birmingham you have nothing to worry about. Unless Detroiters steal the DDOT bus fleet. Even then 90% of the buses would be out of gas or broken down before those on board could do much damage. I suspect Lansing to be a similar case. At worst it will be a repeat of the 1967 riots where the people of Detroit simply burned and looted their own local shops etc...then cried because they had no place to shop for food, clothes, etc... in their neighborhoods. The sad part is the honest people left in Detroit have been brainwashed into thinking their PD will protect them & only PoPo needs guns. These are often the same little old men & women the DPD dooped into taking $50 food cards for their guns. Hope that can of greens helps when the riots start IN Detroit. Gump said it best-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJe6-afGz0Q
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Clearly you have never been in the "thick" of Detroit. Most people there are there because they cannot escape. So if you live in a posh community like Birmingham you have nothing to worry about. Unless Detroiters steal the DDOT bus fleet. Even then 90% of the buses would be out of gas or broken down before those on board could do much damage. I suspect Lansing to be a similar case. At worst it will be a repeat of the 1967 riots where the people of Detroit simply burned and looted their own local shops etc...then cried because they had no place to shop for food, clothes, etc... in their neighborhoods. The sad part is the honest people left in Detroit have been brainwashed into thinking their PD will protect them & only PoPo needs guns. These are often the same little old men & women the DPD dooped into taking $50 food cards for their guns. Hope that can of greens helps when the riots start IN Detroit. Gump said it best-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJe6-afGz0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJe6-afGz0Q)
I live in Lansing. Not Holt, not Dimonale, not DeWitt, not Grand Ledge, not Mason, not Lansing Township -- but Lansing. We have our share of hoods and projects. Some of them a dozen blocks from my house.
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@Q - multiply that buy 500+ times, that is the scale of Detroit decay. My point was the ghetto always destroy's itself. Why? It's the easiest thing to do. Most people are unarmed, cannot flee, etc..etc...etc.. what you call a hood many in Detroit would consider fine living. ;)
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I live in Lansing. Not Holt, not Dimonale, not DeWitt, not Grand Ledge, not Mason, not Lansing Township -- but Lansing. We have our share of hoods and projects. Some of them a dozen blocks from my house.
May be a good day too hang out at work with the wife? Maybe swing over to my place for a bit if Lansing proper decides to annihilate itself?
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Most people are unarmed
Whose fault is that?
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Another Race-based Show Trial Turns Into Farce
excerpts:
The Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case has come to trial this week and the best thing that's been said about it is from Thomas Maguire: "I'm proud to say I live in a country where the show trials look more like an SNL [Saturday Night Live] skit."
There's not one shred of evidence that supports the prosecution's view of the case. "Taps" should have been the background music for the key prosecution witness "Dee Dee" whose real name turns out to be Rachel Jeantel. She was on the phone with Trayvon when the incident occurred and her letter to Trayvon's mother purportedly describing the events and her deposition by the Martin's attorney, Crump, form the heart of the prosecution's case. Her testimony was conceded to be false at several points and the remainder collapsed on cross-examination. Rick Ballard said in the middle of her testimony that he pictured the prosecution "laying back in a nice warm bath this evening, straight razor in hand, trying to remember the exact location of jugular veins and carotid arteries."
It turns out the letter the prosecution relied on was written by someone else, and while Jeantel signed it she cannot even read the cursive in which it was written. The Martins' counsel choreographed her account of the events and he misled the Court about the circumstances.
The prosecution also was exceedingly unprofessional, while taking pretrial testimony from her, in having her make her statement in the presence of Trayvon's mother whom she was manipulated into "helping" by tailoring her testimony to make it possible for the state to come up with this factually unsubstantiated murder charge. The prosecution was forced to concede at trial that the witness lied numerous times and if you watch her in this exchange -- just one example of her performance -- you can see why the statements of a not very smart witness coached and manipulated to say things that are untrue rarely survive decent cross examination: She had said that she could hear the sound of "wet grass" when the tussle began. She was asked to describe what wet grass sounds like and was dumbfounded.
Wet Grass Sounds Rachel Jeantel description of How Wet Grass Sounds during Zimmerman Trial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5F3dmox0I#ws)
The prosecution deserves to be tarred forever with this unjust prosecution.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/another_race-based_show_trial_turns_into_farce.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/another_race-based_show_trial_turns_into_farce.html)
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Is the woman pictured in this post:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24303.html#msg24303 (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24303.html#msg24303)
the same woman in this post:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24403.html#msg24403 (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24403.html#msg24403)
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Anyone else see Rachel "Dee Dee" Jeantel on the witness stand today? I don't think I've laughed this hard for ten or twenty years.
For those that missed it, here she is on the witness stand today. About two hours worth. She begins at the one hour mark (1:00:00) in the first video.
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYVUt3_HOQ#ws)
Wait....wait.....a 19 year old is STARTING 12th grade in the fall?
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I'm just listening to "Dee Dee's" testimony. Holy crap.....3/4 of the time was spent arguing about and clarifying what she said. Maybe she should clean the crap out of her mouth!
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Is the woman pictured in this post:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24303.html#msg24303 (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24303.html#msg24303)
the same woman in this post:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24403.html#msg24403 (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24403.html#msg24403)
No. The pic on the audio deposition is a friend of Rachel's she had on her fb page for a while. That was before we saw her.
https://www.facebook.com/rachel.black.507679?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/rachel.black.507679?fref=ts)
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I'm just listening to "Dee Dee's" testimony.
Are you watching the three videos I posted in Reply #28? (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24340.html#msg24340) (http://www.armleg.com/pianosinc/images/smiles/icon_rofl.gif)
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Are you watching the three videos I posted in Reply #28? (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3164.msg24340.html#msg24340) (http://www.armleg.com/pianosinc/images/smiles/icon_rofl.gif)
Yes.
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She also testified for about four hours on Trail Day 4. She was caught in several lies. I'm sure there are videos of that on youtube as well.
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She also testified for about four hours on Trail Day 4. She was caught in several lies. I'm sure there are videos of that on youtube as well.
You mean she mumbled nonsense for four hours.
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Man -- if this is their "star witness" they are in trouble!
If just one person on the jury (like me) can't understand over half of what she says -- the prosecution is in real trouble!
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It was their star witness and the one their entire case is based around. All of the prosecution's other witnesses back up Zimmerman's story: police, EMT, hospital medical, and even the other eye-witnesses who said the person on top was raining down blows on the person on the bottom. Plus the physical evidence such as the gunshot wound, burn pattern on the clothing, injuries to Zimmerman, physical evidence on Zimmerman's and Trayvon's clothing (grass, stains, wetness, etc.).
The defense hasn't even presented their case yet. They don't have to, the prosecution is doing it for them!
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The defense hasn't even presented their case yet. They don't have to, the prosecution is doing it for them!
I expect there will be a motion to dismiss at the end of the prosecution's case (Standard Practice).
Prosecutor: The prosecution rests, your honor.
Defense: We move for dismissal ad the prosecution has failed to prove their charge up to this point.
At this point, the judge must weigh the evidence in the light MOST FAVORABLE to the prosecution. If he finds when viewing the evidence in this light that thus far the prosecution has not made their case beyond all reasonable doubt -- the judge is supposed to dismiss the case.
I've listened to as much of this lady's drivel as I can stand (about 2 hours).
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the judge must weigh the evidence in the light MOST FAVORABLE to the prosecution.
That won't be any problem for her. Judge Nelson has been bending over backward for the prosecution since the trial started.
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That won't be any problem for her. Judge Nelson has been bending over backward for the prosecution since the trial started.
Probably doesn't want her house burned in the riot....
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Los Angeles Riots, 1992 (1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43WZd611WA#)
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I watched all those videos of her testimony and couldn't believe the way she acted and all the lies she told. How many times did she lie only to change her story 20 seconds later. Some of her quotes just had me in tears laughing.
I don't even see how this went to trial and with it being national news the guys life is ruined with legal fees and doubt. He will never be treated the same way again and will probably even end up losing his family over it.
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I watched all those videos of her testimony and couldn't believe the way she acted and all the lies she told. How many times did she lie only to change her story 20 seconds later. Some of her quotes just had me in tears laughing.
I don't even see how this went to trial and with it being national news the guys life is ruined with legal fees and doubt. He will never be treated the same way again and will probably even end up losing his family over it.
I don't see how she can lie if her answers aren't discernible. ;)
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I think the defense should just rest and the end of the prosecution's case.
'Your honor, the prosecution rests.'
'Your honor, so does the defense. We thank the prosecution for their cooperation.'
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Do you think it is at all possible that this case went this far because of the never ending attempt to disarm us?
Get this case out in the country, get every ones emotions running high, lots of violence/riots happening all over the country so they can put more blame on firearms to use to try to disarm us again? It really seems like a lot of the media is trying to rile everyone up and I can't help but think there might be a political agenda behind it.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, or a paranoid person but a part of me can't help but think that this is possible.
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Monday July 1 summary
In an effort to mitigate testimony damning to the State, the prosecution called another one of the defense witnesses, a voice analysis expert. Because both sides have to declare potential witnesses, the prosecution knew this and called him first in a weak attempt at a preemptive strike. The voice expert's testimony is that under stress a man could sound like a little girl, and there's no way to scientifically verify who was screaming. That's the defense. The prosecution wanted to call the witness so they could establish their own line of questioning rather than respond to the defense's strong position later on in the trial.
Prosecution played the police interview of Zimmerman which is very credible and matches previous witness testimony in the trial. It's all pretty-cut-and-dried testimony that backs up Zimmerman. Not as funny to comment on as Rachel "Dee Dee" "Diamond Eugene" Jeantel.
The state keeps insisting that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and Trayvon was screaming for help, despite all evidence to the contrary. de la Rionda has no morals.
The prosecution's own police witness testified that Zimmmerman showed deep remorse for killing Trayvon; deep, religious guilt and remorse because he is Catholic and believes killing another is wrong. Police told him that's not God's intent, that self-defense is not what God meant.
de la Rionda still clinging to the hope that the jury will believe Zimmerman was carefully crafting a self-defense story that doesn't match up to the real events. Despite the fact that Zimmerman freely spoke to police, didn't ask for an attorney, and his statements are backed up by the other eye-witnesses.
Then the State called Officer Serino to the stand. Serino told FBI he was being pressured into bringing charges against Zimmerman. All of Zimmerman's testimony is getting entered into evidence by the prosecution. Dead flashlight, sequence of events, Trayvon's statements and attack. Zimmerman will never have to testify and be subject to cross.
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Serino told FBI investigators that he felt pressured by his colleagues, three African-American officers, to file charges.
Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html)
Serino’s FBI Interview Shows Three Other People On The SPD Pressured Him To Press Charges!
The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two others officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case — even though he didn’t think there was enough evidence.
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Serino even reached out to the White Supremacist movement, and no one had ever heard of Zimmerman. Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”
The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.
Conservative Treehouse (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/12/bombshell-serinos-fbi-interview-shows-three-other-people-on-the-sfd-pressured-him-to-press-charges/)
Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”
The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.
Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html)
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Police reenactment with Zimmerman goes for defense, not prosecution. They keep admitting evidence against themselves. But what choice do they have? They want to use the police so they have to use it all.
Prosecution gets police to admit to lying to Zimmerman in an effort to get Zimmerman to change his story. Zimmerman doesn't as he has no need to, he's telling the truth.
And once again (or rather twice again today) the prosecution tries to impeach their own witnesses. When have you ever seen a prosecutor come back to denigrate his own police witness by saying "well, that's only your opinion!"
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Do you think it is at all possible that this case went this far because of the never ending attempt to disarm us?
No. 100% absolutely not. It was all a civil rights push down from Obama's Justice Department, even though they independently concluded there was no civil rights violation. It is a 100% racial prosecution.
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No. 100% absolutely not.
I know they will still use acts of violence from the result of this trial to try to put a lot of blame on firearms and why we shouldn't be allowed to have them.
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If there are mass acts of violence, it will result in some perp deaths. Florida isn't California where the citizens are disarmed. Neither are most other states.
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This case is about race alright, but it's not coming from Zimmerman.
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This case and the mass of idiots who want to riot if Zimmerman wins are just more examples of why it's important to possess and carry firearms. I will be ready to protect and defend innocent life and property, as will my friends and family who are also prepared and heavily armed.
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This case and the mass of idiots who want to riot if Zimmerman wins are just more examples of why it's important to possess and carry firearms.
I think a more accurate statement would be "if Zimmerman isn't found guilty". Thanks to Martin and the political power that was asserted in order to take an innocent man to trial, Zimmerman and his family have already lost life as they once knew it.
I'm just sayin...
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That Nancy Grace is worst than the News Paper. All Charges should be dropped. Carry On. And still stand your ground.
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Sorry to change the subject here but I am confused.
everyone says Zimmerman's head wounds was not that serious. how can they absolutely say that for sure and how much is to much when your head is being bashed into the concrete and what if he kept bashing his head 20 -30-40 times more, why wouldn't you stop it as soon as possible. They say the head injuries wasn't that bad. I wish (not really) each and everyone of them have their heads bashed into concrete and I'd bet each and everyone of them would be yelling to stop after the first time their head was slam into the concrete , that $#|t is hard! And does damage to the brain fast with multiple slam blows to the head. Why do you think motorcyclist and race car drivers wear helmets.
all this is a no brainer.
Doug
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The lead defense attorney hit it on the head when crossing a medical examiner.
Q: Were any of Mr. Zimmerman's injuries life threatening?
A: No
Q: Was the next one?
A: Possible
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Sorry to change the subject here but I am confused.
everyone says Zimmerman's head wounds was not that serious. how can they absolutely say that for sure and how much is to much when your head is being bashed into the concrete and what if he kept bashing his head 20 -30-40 times more, why wouldn't you stop it as soon as possible. They say the head injuries wasn't that bad. I wish (not really) each and everyone of them have their heads bashed into concrete and I'd bet each and everyone of them would be yelling to stop after the first time their head was slam into the concrete , that $#|t is hard! And does damage to the brain fast with multiple slam blows to the head. Why do you think motorcyclist and race car drivers wear helmets.
all this is a no brainer.
Doug
Rao was pimping for the State *hard*.
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everyone says Zimmerman's head wounds was not that serious.
Who is "everyone?" The prosecution and someone who never examined Zimmerman? Maybe the MSM?
If you're getting your head bashed into the sidewalk, you don't go unconscious until you do. Or in other words, your injuries aren't life-threatening until they are. Then it's too late.
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Don West: You don't have to wait until you're almost dead?
Criminal Justice Professor: I would advise that you not do that.
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Epic! The prosecution tried to question someone through skype but never set his client to invisible. Of course everything was broadcasted over live tv. Eventually there were so many incoming calls, that they could not deny them fast enough. Skype was abandoned and they now have a cell phone on the stand.
How desperate is the prosecution. Jeesh!
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Here is what happened:
Hilarious Skype Bombing Brings Halt To Witness Testimony In George Zimmerman Trial
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/skype/zimmerman-trial-skype-bombing-756390 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/skype/zimmerman-trial-skype-bombing-756390)
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Judge is an idiot. It wasn't a problem with the phone, it was a problem with Skype. She kept telling them to hang up the cell phone to stop the Skype pop-ups. "Hang up the phone! I don't want those up on the screen! Call him back on a land line."
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Judge is an idiot. It wasn't a problem with the phone, it was a problem with Skype. She kept telling them to hang up the cell phone to stop the Skype pop-ups. "Hang up the phone! I don't want those up on the screen! Call him back on a land line."
Judicial derpherding at its finest
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One of those links, a facebook reply said this.
Obama wants the Zimmerman trial to result in riots. Why else would he inject himself into the dialogue by saying "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin".
Once the race riots start...Obama can declare martial law...and he is just looking for a reason to do this. Why else do you think the Social Security Department, HHS, the EPA and Homeland Security have been stockpiling weapons and ammo.
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Today the State tried to say that GZ pulling the trigger was "ill will". WTF?
If I shoot someone, it's not because I want to kill them, it's because I want them to stop killing me. I don't care how or why they stop, I just care that they STOP. If they die, it's their fault, if not, good for them.
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According to the prosecution, a cop shooting a bad guy attacking him is shooting with ill will and a depraved mind, not caring if the other guy dies or not. Just shooting someone illustrates that.
They also tried to say DA guns without external safeties (like Glocks) are unsafe to carry with one in the pipe. Well, Glocks are, but others not so much. ;D
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They also tried to say DA guns without external safeties (like Glocks) are unsafe to carry with one in the pipe. Well, Glocks are, but others not so much. ;D
Shhhhhhh... My Glock might hear you and he is not to be trusted.
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Ahhh...Glocks are sentient, too! They are not to be trusted!
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They also brought up hollow points and +1 loading. I just wanted O'Mara to walk up to the nearest officer and have him describe what he was carrying.
Mr. Mantie's arguments today, show in stunning detail why stand your ground laws exist. Our guns will only protect us from those who want to illegally harm us.
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they should have just let it go. Oh yea my Glock heard that. Carry On,
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They also brought up hollow points and +1 loading. I just wanted O'Mara to walk up to the nearest officer and have him describe what he was carrying.
Mr. Mantie's arguments today, show in stunning detail why stand your ground laws exist. Our guns will only protect us from those who want to illegally harm us.
What should he have used? FMJ? With high probability of over-penetration?
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What should he have used?
5.7x28. You can't hurt anyone with that round.
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5.7x28. You can't hurt anyone with that round.
Yep -- pea shooter! ;)
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5.7x28. You can't hurt anyone with that round.
Trolling with style, I see
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I dunno... 5.7 is pretty good at killing aliens.... from space of course. :D
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Just ask those in Fort Hood how well the 5.7 worked.
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I dunno... 5.7 is pretty good at killing aliens.... from space of course. :D
I think it's unlawful to kill aliens, regardless or where you're killing them from. Either space or from
Terra firma.
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Trolling with style, I see
It is even funnier if you know that is his preferred EDC round. ;D
The FsN is at the top of my want list since I am FNH fan boy. I wish I would have gotten one and a few k rounds before sandy hook.
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I think it's unlawful to kill aliens, regardless or where you're killing them from. Either space or from
Terra firma.
Doesn't that depend on if they are legal or illegal aliens? ::)
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5.7x28. You can't hurt anyone with that round.
One of those deadly 2.2mm rounds they found in England :)
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It is even funnier if you know that is his preferred EDC round. ;D
The FsN is at the top of my want list since I am FNH fan boy. I wish I would have gotten one and a few k rounds before sandy hook.
There is a new gen Five-seveN. I haven't seen one in person yet, though.
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I remember not voting for one of those guys :)
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This morning the prosecution tried to make it seem as though an IWB holster was somehow sinister. In a NO OC STATE nonetheless!
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This morning the prosecution tried to make it seem as though an IWB holster was somehow sinister. In a NO OC STATE nonetheless!
Which witness was this? I missed that & would like to go back & heart it.
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Yes, prosecution was insinuating hiding your gun was bad, shooting right handed when you write left handed was bad, shooting center mass was bad, carrying a fully loaded gun was bad, carrying with one in the pipe was bad, and carrying a gun without an external safety was bad.
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Headline: Prosecutor advocates for legalization of OC!
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Headline: Prosecutor advocates for legalization of OC!
lol, good one.
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The guy who literally wrote the book on gunshot wounds and is one of the foremost forensic pathologists in the country is testifying this morning. He just stated that he could reach into your chest, rip your heart out, and you would still be capable of voluntary movement for 10 - 15 seconds minimum. One case he saw was a point blank 12-gauge shotgun blast to the chest that shredded the guy's heart. The guy turned around and ran 75 feet before he collapsed.
In Trayvon's case, as long as his brain was receiving oxygen, he was capable of movement. The 10 - 15 seconds is a reserve AFTER new oxygen flow stops. He flatly stated Trayvon could easily pull his arms from outside his body back underneath him. The only way to stop someone instantly is to shoot them in the brain. SWAT knows this, that's why they shoot them there.
Expert is talking about head injuries now. When head hits concrete, concrete doesn't yield, head yields to concrete.
BDLR is not smiling at all.
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Expert: you can get severe head trauma without ever getting an outside injury. We see skull fractures with no outside visible injury.
Lacerations from flat surfaces just show how bad the impact was.
Additional blows compound the head trauma. People die from compound trauma.
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Wow, wow, wow! Defense wrapping up! Last witness. Some evidence proffers, then be done tomorrow!
I did not expect this!
ETA: My understanding was that the last witness today was the last, so I stopped watching live. I just read where O'Mara said she was only the last today, and that he had more tomorrow. I guess I misunderstood earlier. As did everyone else!
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After 7 PM, court still in session arguing evidence admissibility.
Judge is an idiot, saying Trayvon is right-handed so couldn't throw a left-handed punch. Mark O'Mara having to explain to Judge Debra Nelson as if she were a four year old. Correction: a four year old with an IQ of 70.
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Judge says animation recreation would have more weight to jury than witness testimony so she is leery of admitting it.
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Judge says animation recreation would have more weight to jury than witness testimony so she is leery of admitting it.
Mantei grossly distorting testimony now.
My guess is judge will not allow animation during trial as evidence. It won't hurt defense. If she allows it during closing arguments, though, it might even be better (even though prosecution would get the final word).
8 PM.
Defense wants to introduce Trayvon's pictures and text messages that the prosecution hid regarding Trayvon and acquiring/owning guns. Also Trayvon's fighting, the effects of that fighting on him, his thoughts on winning and losing rounds, etc. and his strategy on fighting in the future, brother asking him to teach him to fight...
Judge is arguing about the prosecution hiding it. She doesn't care that it was hidden, she just wants to see the evidence.
Cell phone forensics expert testifying for judge now. 8:26PM
Cell phone forensics expert testifying that Trayvon Martin had special app to protect data about guns, fighting, etc. Not standard Android.
9:17 PM, cell phone forensic witness dismissed. Now on to Rachel "Dee Dee" "Diamond Eugene" Jeantel!
Defense is showing how she lied under oath, and that Trayvon admitted to her to fighting a lot and winning.
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I don't understand Judge Brenda Nelson. She can't be stupid and have achieved her position. She also has a decent reputation, I think, although I haven't researched it very much, just read some ancillary comments.
Although she has been bending over backward for the prosecution during the first phase, she seems to be granting the defense some measure of consideration during its phase. Whether it is fear of appeal on procedural grounds, etc. I do not know.
Nevertheless, sometimes she seems like she has so little understanding of facts and arguments she has to be talked to as if she were a child. She puzzles me. At the risk of sounding sexist, I can't imagine a male judge behaving like her.
Strong summation by West, going back to Florida Constitution and the US Constitution as well as SOCTUS decision not to exclude reliable and trustworthy evidence to guarantee his constitutional rights.
West has consistently been impressive.
John Guy says that Trayvon talking about "fighting" might really be code for something else, not fighting at all.
And he gets even more absurd! The basic argument is that this would be prejudicial against Trayvon.
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West is demanding sanctions against BDLR for withholding evidence at the end of this trial!
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9:54 PM
Judge Brenda Nelson: any seven year old can break two levels of password protection and send text messages on someone else's phone, [over and over, in a lengthy thread.]
West: State has withheld evidence and we caught them. It's simply unfair to forbid Mr. Zimmerman from presenting his evidence when they had this in January and we didn't discover it until June. It is against the Florida and US Constitutions.
Nelson recesses at 9:56 PM. Walks out of court room while defense is speaking.
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West has consistently been impressive.
And he tells master quality knock-knock jokes 8)
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And he tells master quality knock-knock jokes 8)
At first that threw me. Now I'm a big fan. He pretended it was a clumsy attempt at humor. Don West doesn't do anything that isn't carefully calculated. ;D
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Wow, State is now trying to argue Murder 3?
What the hell.
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What a redicolius mess. child abuse? What really scares me is that the Florida sun must be affecting some way,,,,"Kayley Anthany "
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Recess for lunch, and defense will be preparing argument against child abuse murder 3. Anyone want to guess what Nelson will rule?
Edit: judge rules no Murder 3.
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She dropped it
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The prosecution must feel that they are going to lose the case. Otherwise they wouldn't have tried to include this lesser offense.
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They wanted to go all the way down to Aggravated Assault this morning, but then realized they couldn't by law since Trayvon died.
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They wanted to go all the way down to Aggravated Assault this morning, but then realized they couldn't by law since Trayvon died.
Why not throw in a parking violation too?
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Don't give them ideas. They will go back to the reconstruction and find out Zimmerman was parked illegally.
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Bwahahaha
Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense 17s
#zimmermantrial Rumored: Mantei, Guy forgot ammo, pass note to defense, "You guys have any more of theat S&B?" Defense shakes head sadly.
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Andrew Branca, LOSD@LawSelfDefense
#zimmermantrial BDLR: "Rachel Jeantel is a human being." Objection, facts not in evidence.
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Apparently someone needs to tell the state prosecutor he needs to remove all reasonable doubt instead of creating it.
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Zimmerman Jury Instructed To Find Him Guilty Of Something
SANFORD, Florida (BHN) - In obvious anticipation of George ZImmerman being likely found innocent of murder charges, Judge Debra Nelson ruled Thursday that the jury will now have the option to convict Zimmerman of any number of lesser charges, including manslaughter, slavery, excessive noise (gunshot), personal property damage (hoodie), public property damage (head hitting sidewalk), littering (Trayvon), and felony screaming like a girl.
The defense unsuccessfully objected to the additional charges, as well as the fact that all jurors are now wearing hoodies.
On a lighter note, a Zimmerman defense attorney was chided by the judge for agreeing with the prosecution's demand of "justice for Trayvon" by suggesting they "dig up his body and shoot him again."
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littering (Trayvon)
LoL...wow man just wow!
I think his mancard should be revoked for carrying a wimpy 9mm though, I mean if it doesn't start with a "4" it isn't big enough.
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LoL...wow man just wow!
I think his mancard should be revoked for carrying a wimpy 9mm though, I mean if it doesn't start with a "4" it isn't big enough.
Easy -- I carry a 9x19. Lets not start a caliber war. It's better than the pea shooter gryphon carries (g)
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9 isn't a caliber. It is 38 caliber. (Actually .355, but who's counting?) ;D
And Jeff, don't make me cite the tool Yeager. :P
Back to the topic at hand...
In tomorrow's closing argument, O'Mara should sit on that dummy and pound it for 40 seconds so the jury can see how long a 40 second beating actually is.
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I was just teasing guys :)
I have a Glock 19.
I was expecting some kind of reply like "Oh tell that to TM"
Cite Yeager YIKES. You mean like "all guns should be Glocks, all Glocks should be 9mm, and all 9mm Glocks should be 19's?" :P
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I bet the jury would be shocked at the sight of a 40 second beating.
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Cite Yeager YIKES. You mean like "all guns should be Glocks, all Glocks should be 9mm, and all 9mm Glocks should be 19's?"
You know your Yeager. But I was thinking "guys who say don't come to a gunfight with anything that doesn't begin with a 4 have little dicks." I personally don't subscribe to that theory. I subscribe to the Yeager/Pincus/... crowd are dicks theory.
But that's just me.
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I carry a 380 about 1/2 the time and a 45 the other 1/2 of the time so I suppose that if you average them it is a 40 1/4....... strange since I am not a fan of 40's and don't own one.
I haven't watched the live feed very much but the judge has amazed me. I am no lawyer but it seems to me that every decision she makes except excluding the third degree charge is grounds for appeal. Some are predicting a fast jury decision. I am wondering about the reaction after the decision. :(
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"All Guns Should Be Glocks" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUL4ITG254#ws)
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I watched the end of the defense close... was not impressed. Saw some of the beginning of the prosecutor's rebuttal. He was grasping at straws, and doing a good job of it.
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I don't the defense did as good of a job as I was expecting them to do, a little soft I thought.
So is it going to boil down to we can or can't defend ourselves.
His life is destroyed no matter which way the verdict goes.
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We have a verdict. Waiting for it.
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NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!!!!
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NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!!!!
Justice served.
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We still have a right to protect ourselves. Our Constitution still works.
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George Zimmerman should sue the Florida's states attorney personally for the statement she said during her media statement blaming him especially after being found not guilty. In fact she owes him a big Apology.
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George Zimmerman should sue the Florida's states attorney personally for the statement she said during her media statement blaming him especially after being found not guilty. In fact she owes him a big Apology.
Not only that, but at the very least, half of what the persecution said or implied to the media after the verdict was just inappropriate.
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I was just leaving Oakland University when I saw it on one of the TV's. Someone watching it looked very angry.
Now I'm not going to leave my house for a few days :o
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I am thankful there doesn't appear to be any reports of riots in this country tonight.
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While watching the Zimmerman trial, there was something about Bernie de la Rionda that bugged me. I couldn't quite put my finger on it till I pulled up my Wii avatar that I made years ago.
Dayum!
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I am thankful there doesn't appear to be any reports of riots in this country tonight.
I was just commenting to my wife about that ..... only some small street fires in Oakland..... a pretty normal Saturday night in the summer. Apparently the average man in the streets doesn't think Zimmerman was guilty.
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I was just commenting to my wife about that ..... only some small street fires in Oakland..... a pretty normal Saturday night in the summer. Apparently the average man in the streets doesn't think Zimmerman was guilty.
Or maybe those contemplating retaliation in response to a verdict rendered against a lawful gun user might result in the application of the same deadly force being imposed upon them by other lawful gun users.
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Or maybe those contemplating retaliation in response to a verdict rendered against a lawful gun user might result in the application of the same deadly force being imposed upon them by other lawful gun users.
haha! You'll never get far trying to use logic and reason in the world we live in today! :P
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Or maybe those contemplating retaliation in response to a verdict rendered against a lawful gun user might result in the application of the same deadly force being imposed upon them by other lawful gun users.
+1
But, we still have to watch for criminals that haven't learned the idea of self-preservation.
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If I call 911 and they tell me don't follow somebody and I didn't I know I would be in jail and found guilty. I just thank God I'm not Zimmerman or Martin. Too all carry on and be blessed
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If I call 911 and they tell me don't follow somebody and I didn't I know I would be in jail and found guilty. I just thank God I'm not Zimmerman or Martin. Too all carry on and be blessed
Two points.
1: Mr Zimmerman was not on the line with 911, he called the non-emergency line.
2: Guilty of what? Contempt of random city employee?
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There is also NO evidence to support the notion that Zimmerman continued to follow (not chase) Martin after he was told that they didn't need him to do that.
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The prosecution is still saying that Zimmerman's statements are "inconsistent", yet the proc started the trial in opening statements saying that GZ drove his gun down into the chest of TM and pulled the trigger, yet they ended by claiming that TM was pulling away from GZ when he was shot. Of course, neither one is supported by any evidence what so ever.
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just my opinion - obviously a regrettable situation for both parties. both could have walked away. depending on which media outlet you watch the versions vary but this case was given the full light of a court of law as provided by our constitution.
the charges were given to pacify the anti Zimmerman media and protestors but I believe that the prosecution sandbagged the case intentionally. they needed to look like they were trying but left enough of a reasonable doubt gap to let GZ slip thru. the verdict is a win not just for stand your ground and personal protection but solidifies our the need for open displaying our right and need to say I will not be a victim.
as far as the race issue it is the ONLY reason it became national news. there are many cases of black on white flat out murders -not self defense- that don't get near national coverage. I wouldn't even know about them if my friends on facebook hadn't posted them. the only racial slur used that night that I heard of came from travon not Zimmerman. GZ is Hispanic not white. why aren't there protests against Hispanics over this? how is he magically white for the sake of racial outrage? travon was the initiator of the physical violence. riots over this in a stand your ground concealed or open carry state only would have made dozens more travons. fear of riots isn't a reason to convict a man for murder.
will this case and verdict change people's view on violent confrontations? yes I hope so. will it make them think twice before engaging in such activities? hope so. the criminal element will always engage in such activities and hope they are targeting unarmed victims. that isn't going to change. hopefully this case showed people what every word, every action, every intent you had before and during a confrontation sounds like in a cold light of court.
this also drives home the absolute necessity of knowledge of law, maintaining control of a situation and carrying on the activity of a reasonable person. a reasonable person is the arbitrary bar that the law sets for such cases.
I've heard of retaliation against mr. Zimmerman. stupid but doesn't surprise me. his life is forever changed and will probably spend the rest of his life fearing reprisal against him and his family. my LEO experience tell me that those that threaten such retaliation NEVER commit it. anyone with serious intent wouldn't tell you ahead of time.
I wish well for the Zimmerman and Martin families. is this a victory for self defense? yes. are you more likely to be tried for a self defense case? probably.
you don't get to choose the race or situation of your attacker. they do. deadly threats come in all colors, ages, genders and sizes. the split second decision you make scared in the dark will be scrutinized by people for months in climate controlled offices, brightly lit in high back chairs well rested and with a bunch of letters after their names telling you what you should have done. I hope this never happens again to anybody but if it is one of us then please keep this in mind. be safe friends.
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Two points.
1: Mr Zimmerman was not on the line with 911, he called the non-emergency line.
2: Guilty of what? Contempt of random city employee?
Funny I said if I was to call 911 me not Zimmerman
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as far as the race issue it is the ONLY reason it became national news. there are many cases of black on white flat out murders -not self defense- that don't get near national coverage.
Zimmerman - half white/half minority = white
Obama - half white/half minority = minority
Actually Obama is more white than Zimmerman. Obama is 1/2 white, but Zim is only 1/4 white. But who's counting?
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You know how it works. It all just depends on if they are important/famous.
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I have tried DESPERATELY to keep an open mind in this TM/GZ matter. This has now reached the level of total absurdity.
Jesse Jackson calls for UN to investigate TM death (http://gunssavelives.net/blog/jesse-jackson-calls-for-international-investigation-on-zimmerman-asks-un-to-step-in/)
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WTF???? I agree Q.
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Justice Department places 'hold' on Trayvon Martin trial evidence, including George Zimmerman's gun - which Florida law says must be returned to him
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2369592/Justice-Department-places-hold-Trayvon-Martin-trial-evidence-including-George-Zimmermans-gun--Florida-law-says-returned-him.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2369592/Justice-Department-places-hold-Trayvon-Martin-trial-evidence-including-George-Zimmermans-gun--Florida-law-says-returned-him.html)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/18/report-doj-puts-hold-on-evidence-in-george-zimmerman-case/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/18/report-doj-puts-hold-on-evidence-in-george-zimmerman-case/)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gun-20130718,0,2431785.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gun-20130718,0,2431785.story)
Following a request from the FBI, the Sanford Police Department reported Thursday that it has halted its plan to return George Zimmerman's gun and other pieces of evidence used at his murder trial.
The move is a clear sign that the U.S. Department of Justice is moving ahead with its investigation into whether the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer violated the civil rights of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old he shot in Sanford last year.
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I can't wait for the south park episode of this.
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Zimmerman's gun was black. That's RACIST!
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Did the robberies in that neighborhood stop after the shooting?
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Did the robberies in that neighborhood stop after the shooting?
Yes, but the Sanford PD had a car stationed in the subdivision after the shooting, so that kind of skews the result.
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O'Mara: George Zimmerman will ask state to cover $200K-$300K of his legal bills
Because Zimmerman was acquitted, state law requires Florida to pay all his legal costs, minus the biggest one: the fee that goes to his lawyers.
That includes the cost of expert witnesses, travel, depositions, photocopies, even that animated 3-D video that defense attorneys showed jurors during closing argument that depicts Trayvon punching Zimmerman.
His office is still collecting numbers, he said, but he estimated the request would total $200,000 to $300,000.
That would be on top of the estimated $902,000 that public agencies already have spent on Zimmerman's five-week second-degree murder trial that ended July 13.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-we-pay-his-bills-20130826,0,7750164.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-we-pay-his-bills-20130826,0,7750164.story)
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UPDATE
DOJ closes investigation into Trayvon Martin shooting. Insufficient evidence of wrongdoing.
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-officials-close-investigation-death-trayvon-martin
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I clicked on the link to see the comments... :(